Interviews with people
who want refunds from Shawkey's
Dove Rickett My life has changed so
much ,since coming to know there are such deceitful and evil men/women
like Gary and Stephanie. And my funds are gone . I have heard of con-men
, and even watched investigative reports on TV . I could not believe anyone
being taken in so easily . Never even imagining that I myself , would be
a "victim" someday . "It will never happen to me" .
Gary Shawkey keeps "chipping"
away at us; and mocking every effort we take and are taking. Saying "No
one can touch me"!But I believe in the "American Justice System " , I believe
if we perservere , it will come to be . I believe that "Right and "Good"
will win over soon .
Afterall ,he even has
a "Special Needs" Childrens program and has for about 4 yrs ! If he wasnt
above board on all this , the law would have shut him down ." He purchased
the Childrens Camp,82 acres,with our money! And now he blatantly calls
it his "personal residence"! No agency seems to even care about this. My
grandson has Cerebral palsy ,that is why I supported the Program for kids
.
JoAnne Schnepp Q.
Why have you agreed to this interview?
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When did you Join BizOpAlliance?
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What prompted you to join this program?
I joined for FREE initially, but then overtime, various programs were introduced with paid versions and we were encouraged to take a paid version in order to make 'bigger commissions'. Q.
What did you hope to accomplish with this program?
After while, with the many and frequent emails from Gary, I also bought into the BizOpp4Kids program (now called Power E Kids) that was supposed to help special needs kids and I started paying for that membership too....as a donation to the program and the Deer Valley Kids Camp. I kept waiting for the camp to open, and for kids to get to go there, and actually volunteered one time to be an RN for a camp session. But...so far...no kids at the camp. However Gary and Stephanie live on the premises of this NON profit piece of property in OHIO...and are now started to provide leadership training sessions there at $1495/weekend...which has nothing to do with Special Needs Kids? Q.
Why did you become dissatisfied with the program?
Part of Gary's way of doing things, was to hype every new program he came out with, a great deal. And then urge those of us who HAD already invested money to help get the last program going....to open our checkbooks one more time for the newest one. Since we weren't getting paid any significant return on our investments due to various 'problems' he kept having....we would always open the checkbook one more time, believing that riches were right around the corner. It didn't seem to matter that his current programs did not work. His marketing tools did not get me anything all those years except a few random hits and a total of 54 FREE members signed up in a downline. In the end, currently, only 12 of them have a reachable email address at all. One of those members WAS a paying member for a couple years in ONE program, which paid me a whopping$8.00/mo commission. Gary also was able to keep us all from communicating with each other, and when we were having problems making money or getting his tools to work, it would be explained away in a manner that left us thinking WE didn't know what we were doing! This past spring, when a group of us started talking to each other, we were not only shocked at exactly how much money various people had put into Gary's hands, with no pay backs, but equally upset that ALL of us had no commissions paid, no paid downline members and many of the same issues with programs and tools not working properly! No longer did we believe WE were at fault! When the Excel placements came to light, many of us just plain got angry and started to see the light as to what had been going on all along...but then, according to Mr. Shawkey, it was 'too late' to get a refund on our monies, because he had only allowed a short time period for people to request their monies back last fall. Coincidentally his 'refund period' was just as he was starting the big hype about the Strategic Alliance he had going with the Excel/VarTec company that was going to be making people millionaires who signed on with him! So, of course, many signed on, thinking it was a last chance effort to get some return on investment owed to them!! Thus, the short deadline to request refunds came and went and a lot of us waited...and joined Excel, hoping THAT would give us the payout we were waiting for! Q.
What is the refund due you for?
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What has been done in that regard since then?
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Have you contacted Gary Shawkey?
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What would you advise others to do who want refunds?
If you are an Excel Rep,
or anyone who answers his ads on the Internet about the fantastic marketing
and lead generation training he is offering at his Deer Valley Camp and
Retreat (which by the way is licensed as a NON PROFIT organization
to benefit special needs kids....and none have ever been there!)...my advice
to you is KEEP YOUR CHECKBOOK CLOSE TO YOUR HEART and DO NOT OPEN
IT!! He is charging $1495.00 for a 3 day training at this camp...and
he is looking for successful Excel Reps who can afford these kinds of fees
for trainings. He is hoping to lure them by telling them he got promoted
to ESD in 10 weeks by using these same marketing tools....and none of this
is true! He will give you a lot of leads...but they may be
purchased or harvested leads. I just urge anyone to BE WARY of this
man. Do NOT be his next victim. He needs more victims because
most of his loyal marketing group members have jumped ship and won't bail
him out any more. He is a smooth operator, so don't listen too long.
He once told us in a training meeting that once he got someone on the phone,
he could sell them anything....as long as he didn't let them hang up on
him....it was just a matter of time! Don't be one of those people!!
Jude Sutton: Q.
Why have you agreed to this interview?
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When did you Join BizOpAlliance?
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What prompted you to join this program?
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What is the refund due you for?
With the things going on at the time and the anticipated revenues I could see, I promoted this heavily in my home community. At this time because of anticipated changes to the program, the Co-Op Shares in question were offered as a last time offer, since they would not be able to offer them again after the proposed changes went into effect. So I purchased them because of the cut off deadline, and the potential income I could see coming from them. Subsequent to this closed meetings were held with interestedparties in attendance. These parties were to provide support and help in the distribution of the CD-ROM distribution of the Family Internet Portal program as well as other things. The meetings were a disaster. A businesslike decorum was needed, and even though there were monitors present, theycould not control what went on in the meetings in regard to the membership present, and they were in fact not in a business setting. Because of this and other things which were going on in the background, the interested parties declined, and the program was abandoned. At this time BizOpAlliance issued a letter saying that they were going to reorganize, change the name, and approach things in a different direction. Because of this they gave the membership the option of staying or opting out, with a refund for stock and co-op shares. This was on December 7, 2003. Because of the embarrasement to me on a local level, and what I anticipated coming, I chose to opt-out and requested a refund for my co-op shares. Q.
What has been done in that regard since then?
The agreement stated that the refunds would be paid out of Corporate Funds on a monthly basis. It does not in fact state when that would start. On March1, 2004, which was 84 days since I agreed to the refund, I felt that I was not going to get an answer from them with any payout schedule. I also felt that sufficient time had elapsed for that to start, and/or to receive my refund payment. So I sent them a demand letter for payment of the refund, and again I received their stock answer " That I agreed to the refund and that I should refer to the agreement". I have recourse locally in
small claims, but, rather than jump to that I have joined NIBA to peacefully
resolve this issue. If that cannot be done, then I will have no other option
but to pursue a legal remedy. What they owe me is $200.00 and it's not
a great amount of money, but it's the principle of the matter. They owe
me the money, and they need to pay me, it's that simple.
Dove Rickett: Q.
Why have you agreed to this interview?
The trips never happened! Nothing. Over a year ago Gary Shawkey purchased "a farm in Ohio for the Needy and/or Special Needs Children". So it was then changed from the Free Trips to a Camp "Shalom" with swimming, hay rides, fishing, games etc. for the "Children." So people payed into that with monthly subscriptions and bought "Paving Bricks" for the children to walk on!! At $100 each! Last fall after pressure from some members he offered a "week-end" for members at $199 each and tried to charge me $99 for my grandson, for just a "get together!" One couple I know [only a handful were going] payed for themselves and 3 others, but decided to cancel 3 days later, was refused a "refund" because" you did not cancel in a proper time frame, but you can do a rain-check." Now he is claiming the Camp to be their personal Residence and will be used for training purposes at $1495 a person, per week-end! Some had savings, credit cards, got loans etc. to become a part of a very promising Company. We were sold Ad Packs? PPO's, marketing tools that we could have gotten any where on the Internet for a fraction of the money we paid him [but we didnt know any better at the time], his health products that were worthless Q.
When and why did you Join BizOpAlliance and GSI?
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What did you hope to accomplish with this program?
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Why did you become dissatisfied with the program?
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What is your understanding of how to obtain a refund?
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What is the refund for and how much is due you?
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When you didn't get your refund what did you do?
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Have you contacted Gary Shawkey?
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What would you advise others to do who want refunds?
One of our members
committed suicide. And I WILL not let this death be for nothing; and forgotten!
ED NOTE: This person asked that I don't publish a name. Parts of the 1st interview could have been my own, the opinions and story are so similar. I feel like a light bulb was just lit to show me the truth behind scores of emails I've rec'd the last couple of years. Shawkey sure knows how to spin a believable tale of opportunity, and then when things don't work out, he starts something new and improved to keep people hanging on. Every time a venture fails, he blames the members for not participating or supporting him. I have to wonder now if he really set up those various businesses, or if it was all smoke and mirrors designed to milk more money from people desperate for a financial savior. Every 'last chance' offer he makes seems to get extended for weeks, supposedly because of people begging him to extend the deadline so they can participate. Then there follows a series of emails almost begging for more members and money, just a little more and we'll all have success beyond our dreams. Funny how clear things look
in hind sight, and how many times he has run the same scheme
When his income stream begins to slow down, he hastily puts up a website with pictures, or a video of himself and something or someone impressive to help substantiate his claims, all of which have some element of peace and prosperity for the 'family', good health, morality, and a better way of life for people everywhere. He can make you feel like a bad person for not participating, like it is your duty, and you are a disappointment to all humanity if you don't spend your last dime to further his cause. Surely his next step will be into politics! Fortunately, I didn't have more than $200 to 'invest', and didn't try to convince others to spend their money with Shawkey. I believed in his fairy tale of a substantial income, at least at the very beginning of his major schemes that were to pay me based on my purchase of 'coop units'. I will send the certified letter requesting a refund, and will inform you of a reply if I receive one. I appreciate being placed on any mailing list you have for those trying to reclaim lost funds from GSI and associated companies. Thank you for providing me with this information, and I feel sure you will be receiving many more emails like mine. You are welcome to use whatever part of my email that might help, or at least let others know they aren't alone. Maybe they'll salvage some self respect knowing they aren't the only ones who believed the Shawkey tale, or should I say tail...! lol The more I think about it, the more I remember just how much of my money went into the Shawkey pockets. I bought into the 'safe portal' and registered several domain names, bought his bizopp CD, and paid for membership to his 'money list'. I purchased health products during his 'fire sale', that had been priced so high to start with, that the sale price wasn't cheap. I paid for his 'secrets' newsletter sent out every month or two, that usually had out dated articles written by other professionals. It is embarrassing to look back and remember how easily I gave him my money. The feelings he invoked fed the desire to be a part of something important, something good, helping people have a safe internet place where their kids could go without worry over inappropriate content. I spent about $100 for domain names and access to the 'safe portal', and I remember emails and forum posts from 'people close to the source' that hinted at big profits for securing and reselling the best domain names. He fed the needs of people to do good, to belong to a group, to work for a worthy cause, and supplementing their income while doing these good works was just icing on the cake. He used the same hook with the Bizopp Kids program, and always portrayed himself as the charitable mentor who changed lives. He really knows how to make every opportunity sound like it's your one and only chance in life to be a success, and you'll look back and regret not joining him because he is doing it all for you! He sold the Excel deal as a company so far ahead of all others in the communications business, that the big payday was as good as sitting in the safe, and all you had to do was buy the $400 combination. I remember how badly I wanted to jump on board that one, but just didn't have the funds. Every 'last chance' email had me trying to figure a way to afford it, and believing I'd never have a chance like that again. I guess not having expendable income served me well, a blessing in disguise. Still, I did as he asked and changed my phone service over, and my bill doubled, so I've ended up changing it again. Now the emails are saying that the Excel money won't be coming exactly like he thought, but only because of the member's lack of participation. He makes it sound as if everything he does is for others' benefit, never for himself, and he just can't understand how anyone can pass up this big chance he has so unselfishly provided. In every case things end up with a big reorganization or re-focus, and he finds a way to squeeze more money from the situation. He always has a plan B, and you can bet it involves you giving him some money. No one left behind, not as long as they have any money left. I have to take my hat off to him in that he knows how to market whatever he is selling, and it's sad that he uses that talent in the 'appearance' of helping others while he is the one who benefits. Now, for only $1500, you
can spend a weekend on the farm with the Shawkeys, and they'll turn you
into a successful internet entrepreneur in 3 days! For $500 a day, I can
think of better things to do than listen to hype and step in crap! I hate
the fact that I let someone take advantage of me for as long as this has
gone on, and that it only became clear when someone else questioned his
credibility. I can't help but feel that someone who can play people as
he can, has provided an 'out' for himself, but maybe spreading the
word will keep someone else from losing their money.
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